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Post by stefano64 on Feb 25, 2014 14:31:19 GMT
Hello!
This morning I woke up with an idea in my head ...
I traveled 2000 km with my 66, and I do not know if the ignition is reliable, there is the possibility of mounting an electronic ignition? Perhaps the last 340 have one, and it is compatible? You have to buy an after-market modification?
Maybe even in the production Renault is a electronic ignition adaptable to 66, and all engines 1100/1300?
Thank you. Stefano
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Post by macplaxton on Feb 25, 2014 15:38:27 GMT
Aftermarket: These replace contact breaker points: Pertronix Ignitor EP-141 (for Ducellier clockwise rotation). Example pictures: flocar-sudouest.fr/spip.php?page=article&id_article=473 and amicale-r15-r17.forumpro.fr/t5414-tuto-modification-de-l-allumeur-effet-hallLumenition Optronic module with with fitting kit FK804 but your mechanical advance needs to be sound. Problems can occur with nylon bushes on the advance weight pivots. If you are a very rich man then 123ignition: 123\RENAULT-4-R-V is all electronic. €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ Or how about a MegaJolt set up? Renault electronic ignitions are trickier to fit, as you will might not find one with the correct advance curves. Renix was used on 1984> Volvos, but as well as the Renix module, you need a flywheel sensor and toothed flywheel (44-2-2) Lots of choices, just depends on money and time...
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Post by stefano64 on Feb 25, 2014 16:32:38 GMT
Thanks mac!
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Post by ozzie on Feb 25, 2014 23:37:59 GMT
Sorry to hijack but on the subject of electronic ignition wouldn't an after market box type one be a nice retro fit still using the points but for low current as a switch or surely a Renault one be of use as the advance curve is stil carb operated it just uses the Hall effect to switch the electronics on and off the curve is still timed by Bob weights and the vacuum some carb kits did away with the vacuum though.
In the 33 and 44 could a citroen one be used and change the coil too as they had a wasted spark type ignition. Or Just a thought. I have been thinking may be offer up a 4 potter and loose two plugs. I was thinking this about the dizzy cap the other day when I spotted a cap for £18 on the bay.
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Post by ozzie on Feb 25, 2014 23:41:28 GMT
With my last comment you would not need to loose the sparks as they are produced by the cams on the shaft but the segments would need to line up ish on the cap to get it in the right plane.
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Post by macplaxton on Feb 26, 2014 4:15:31 GMT
wouldn't an after market box type one be a nice retro fit still using the points but for low current as a switch Whilst the points wouldn't really burn out with this method, it would still prone to heel wear, broken springs and points bounce. If you could live with that, it's dirt cheap and fun to knock up a kit like this: www.velleman.eu/products/view/?id=8946 (To be honest, I did consider mentioning it in passing, but then decided I wouldn't, as points are the work of the devil ) or surely a Renault one be of use as the advance curve is stil carb operated it just uses the Hall effect to switch the electronics on and off the curve is still timed by Bob weights and the vacuum some carb kits did away with the vacuum though. The Renix unit has an attachment for the ("distributor vacuum") pipe, which is goes the MAP/vacuum sensor on the unit. However the curve is pre-programmed in the Renix and is not controlled by any mechanical bob weights (RPM by flywheel sensor and 44-2-2 toothing). If you pull one of the distributors apart, you'll see nothing downstairs, it's just a rotating shaft with a rotor arm and cap. If you fancy de-potting a Renix to get at the electronics and then reprogramming a substitute chip then be my guest. www.volvo300mania.com/uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=9046 In the 33 and 44 could a citroen one be used and change the coil too as they had a wasted spark type ignition. Or Just a thought. I have been thinking may be offer up a 4 potter and loose two plugs. I was thinking this about the dizzy cap the other day when I spotted a cap for £18 on the bay. Citroen one? The points box? Suppose it could be adapted in some way for the 2 pot motors, but still points and mechanical, so more of a side-grade than an up-grade. What might be better on one of those is perhaps one or two magnets embedded in the edge of the flywheel at the appropriate place(s) to act as a trigger and run it a bit like a motorcycle CDI. There is a Pertronix kit (1841?) that is suitable for those Bosch (JFU2?) distributors - I was looking the other day.
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Post by Sigmund Fraud on Feb 26, 2014 8:54:00 GMT
points are the work of the devil They are indeed... But the Pertronix kit is £100 which can buy you many, many sets of points (or, if you're lucky, a complete DAF !). If reliability is a concern, one can always get hold of a quality, new-old-stock set of points and keep it in the glovebox. If they fail, take out your MacGyver swiss army knife and spend five minutes replacing them at the roadside !
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Post by stefano64 on Feb 26, 2014 13:22:03 GMT
Yes Sigmund, I also think that is the best thing, but sometimes it clicks in the mind the insane urge to update our creatures ...
(sorry again for my google-translated talking)
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Post by macplaxton on Feb 26, 2014 17:00:56 GMT
points are the work of the devil They are indeed... But the Pertronix kit is £100 which can buy you many, many sets of points (or, if you're lucky, a complete DAF !). Well I'd argue that it's more like £70. Besides, you also don't need to stop every 4 miles to adjust them.
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Post by Sigmund Fraud on Feb 26, 2014 17:09:47 GMT
Exaggerations... I've never managed less than 6 miles between adjustments
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